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		<title>By: The Pencil Guy &#187; Archive &#187; The West Online: lamez0r</title>
		<link>http://hourann.com/blog/2006/06/25/a-new-news-service/comment-page-1#comment-4254</link>
		<dc:creator>The Pencil Guy &#187; Archive &#187; The West Online: lamez0r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Back when PerthNow was released, I dug into it for being behind the times. But guess what? For all today&#8217;s print fanfare, The West Online is even worse. Indeed, the kids at Vivid Group who built this site have clearly not used any decent online news service in the last, oh, five years or so. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Back when PerthNow was released, I dug into it for being behind the times. But guess what? For all today&#8217;s print fanfare, The West Online is even worse. Indeed, the kids at Vivid Group who built this site have clearly not used any decent online news service in the last, oh, five years or so. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Pencil Guy &#187; Archive &#187; Discoveries in my inbox: PerthNorg!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pencil Guy &#187; Archive &#187; Discoveries in my inbox: PerthNorg!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An intriguing discovery in my inbox this afternoon: an e-mail from Bronwen Clune, the founder of a flash-looking Web 2.0-ish news service called PerthNorg. While our other new online news service pays lip service to citizen journalism, this site takes a full-on WikiNews-style approach to local news. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An intriguing discovery in my inbox this afternoon: an e-mail from Bronwen Clune, the founder of a flash-looking Web 2.0-ish news service called PerthNorg. While our other new online news service pays lip service to citizen journalism, this site takes a full-on WikiNews-style approach to local news. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: skribe</title>
		<link>http://hourann.com/blog/2006/06/25/a-new-news-service/comment-page-1#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator>skribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 04:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Allen&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.news.com.au/perthnow/overthefence/index.php/perthnow_overthefence/comments/bring_back_seccesion/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;got it&lt;/a&gt;.  Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Allen&#8217;s <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/perthnow/overthefence/index.php/perthnow_overthefence/comments/bring_back_seccesion/" rel="nofollow">got it</a>.  Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: azza-bazoo</title>
		<link>http://hourann.com/blog/2006/06/25/a-new-news-service/comment-page-1#comment-1291</link>
		<dc:creator>azza-bazoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*ahem* do excuse my not noticing comments flagged for moderation ...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*ahem* do excuse my not noticing comments flagged for moderation &#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
		<link>http://hourann.com/blog/2006/06/25/a-new-news-service/comment-page-1#comment-1285</link>
		<dc:creator>Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, I&#039;m not THAT worried, but I&#039;m not usually that bitchy, I am usually a very positive person.
And I guess I meant to be more positive about the whole site, and then more negative about the blogs. Dissapointed would be a better way to put it.
They could have done worse, like use myspace or something :D


p.s. where did skribe&#039;s latest comment go...!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, I&#8217;m not THAT worried, but I&#8217;m not usually that bitchy, I am usually a very positive person.<br />
And I guess I meant to be more positive about the whole site, and then more negative about the blogs. Dissapointed would be a better way to put it.<br />
They could have done worse, like use myspace or something <img src='http://hourann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>p.s. where did skribe&#8217;s latest comment go&#8230;!?</p>
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		<title>By: skribe</title>
		<link>http://hourann.com/blog/2006/06/25/a-new-news-service/comment-page-1#comment-1271</link>
		<dc:creator>skribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 04:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Simone.  The blogging component so far has been pathetic.  You&#039;ve managed two inane posts since June 16th.  Surely you don&#039;t expect us to take you as a serious blogger if you don&#039;t take blogging seriously. Allen has done far better both in quantity and quality.  But I don&#039;t think either of you are fully grasping the opportunity that blogging offers.  Blogging is not about asking stupid questions and hoping that your readers will respond.  Blogging is about communication.  We want to know what you think and why, and then we want to have a chance to confirm or challenge those assertions.  Blogging is about entertainment and frankly you&#039;re not being even remotely entertaining at the moment.  Most of us don&#039;t have the journalistic training that you have.  We certainly don&#039;t have the resources you have access to.  And we&#039;re certainly not being paid to do this.  And I dare say every single one of us that has responded on this post does a much better job at blogging than either you or Allen have exhibited so far.  Either lift your games or drop your pretense that blogging is something that interests you, PN or ST, because frankly you&#039;re not even in the game.

An example of blogs from news organisations that capture the spirit of blogging is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The BBC&#039;s Blogging Network&lt;/a&gt;, with particular reference to my wife&#039;s favourite, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Editors&lt;/a&gt;. As the name suggests it&#039;s a blog by the BBC editors.  An example of an Aussie journo &#039;who gets it&#039; is &lt;a href=&quot;http://timblair.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim Blair&lt;/a&gt;.

Blogging it not hard.  All you have to do is close your eyes, purse your lips and blow =).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Simone.  The blogging component so far has been pathetic.  You&#8217;ve managed two inane posts since June 16th.  Surely you don&#8217;t expect us to take you as a serious blogger if you don&#8217;t take blogging seriously. Allen has done far better both in quantity and quality.  But I don&#8217;t think either of you are fully grasping the opportunity that blogging offers.  Blogging is not about asking stupid questions and hoping that your readers will respond.  Blogging is about communication.  We want to know what you think and why, and then we want to have a chance to confirm or challenge those assertions.  Blogging is about entertainment and frankly you&#8217;re not being even remotely entertaining at the moment.  Most of us don&#8217;t have the journalistic training that you have.  We certainly don&#8217;t have the resources you have access to.  And we&#8217;re certainly not being paid to do this.  And I dare say every single one of us that has responded on this post does a much better job at blogging than either you or Allen have exhibited so far.  Either lift your games or drop your pretense that blogging is something that interests you, PN or ST, because frankly you&#8217;re not even in the game.</p>
<p>An example of blogs from news organisations that capture the spirit of blogging is <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/" rel="nofollow">The BBC&#8217;s Blogging Network</a>, with particular reference to my wife&#8217;s favourite, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/" rel="nofollow">The Editors</a>. As the name suggests it&#8217;s a blog by the BBC editors.  An example of an Aussie journo &#8216;who gets it&#8217; is <a href="http://timblair.net/" rel="nofollow">Tim Blair</a>.</p>
<p>Blogging it not hard.  All you have to do is close your eyes, purse your lips and blow =).</p>
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		<title>By: azza-bazoo</title>
		<link>http://hourann.com/blog/2006/06/25/a-new-news-service/comment-page-1#comment-1270</link>
		<dc:creator>azza-bazoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 04:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t worry &lt;em&gt;too&lt;/em&gt; much. We bloggers are renowned for our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/business/media/20blog.html?ex=1295413200&amp;en=36644c7c375c0244&amp;ei=5090&amp;partner=rssuserland&amp;emc=rss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;vitriol&lt;/a&gt; ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry <em>too</em> much. We bloggers are renowned for our <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/business/media/20blog.html?ex=1295413200&#038;en=36644c7c375c0244&#038;ei=5090&#038;partner=rssuserland&#038;emc=rss" rel="nofollow">vitriol</a> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
		<link>http://hourann.com/blog/2006/06/25/a-new-news-service/comment-page-1#comment-1268</link>
		<dc:creator>Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 04:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to post this earlier, but better late than never...
I apologise for using such a negative word like &#039;pathetic&#039;. I mean, I am still quite dissapointed by Perthnow(though especially the blogs), especially because this is a big news corporation, and I expected more. But still, human beings make up big companies too, and I am usually a much more positive person. And I should be more understanding, as a blogging beginner, and my blog was far from perfect when it launched, and still needs a lot of work(though it will always be a work in progress of course).

So yeah, really felt I just needed to get that of my chest, even if nobody is reading this! :)

Simone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to post this earlier, but better late than never&#8230;<br />
I apologise for using such a negative word like &#8216;pathetic&#8217;. I mean, I am still quite dissapointed by Perthnow(though especially the blogs), especially because this is a big news corporation, and I expected more. But still, human beings make up big companies too, and I am usually a much more positive person. And I should be more understanding, as a blogging beginner, and my blog was far from perfect when it launched, and still needs a lot of work(though it will always be a work in progress of course).</p>
<p>So yeah, really felt I just needed to get that of my chest, even if nobody is reading this! <img src='http://hourann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Simone</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Pendrill</title>
		<link>http://hourann.com/blog/2006/06/25/a-new-news-service/comment-page-1#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Pendrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone:
Thanks again for your comments. We&#039;ll certainly take them on board. Yes, it is very busy time here. It has been an enormously busy news week to boot, and we are a small but dedicated team! What you see at the moment is indeed an &#039;appetiser&#039; - and as soon as we get the bumps ironed out we will grow into the &#039;entire meal&#039;.
All the best. Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone:<br />
Thanks again for your comments. We&#8217;ll certainly take them on board. Yes, it is very busy time here. It has been an enormously busy news week to boot, and we are a small but dedicated team! What you see at the moment is indeed an &#8216;appetiser&#8217; &#8211; and as soon as we get the bumps ironed out we will grow into the &#8216;entire meal&#8217;.<br />
All the best. Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
		<link>http://hourann.com/blog/2006/06/25/a-new-news-service/comment-page-1#comment-1210</link>
		<dc:creator>Simone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lisa, I am very impressed to see you commenting too :D

My main problems were that the RSS feeds weren&#039;t working(the blogs, news, and entertainment, but they seem to be working this morning!.
And I&#039;m a bit scared about commenting, as it says comments can be edited(I&#039;d rather you just didn&#039;t include a comment instead of editing it!). And Allen seems to be replying to comments by editing that comment... I think it might be better just to post a reply comment... I&#039;ll go tell him on his blog now :D
Umm, and you need to write some more posts!!(but I imagine you&#039;re pretty busy with the site as a whole at the moment!!)

Anyway, good luck, and I really look forward to seeing how it goes, and raises the profile of rss feeds and blogging in WA!

:)

Simone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lisa, I am very impressed to see you commenting too <img src='http://hourann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My main problems were that the RSS feeds weren&#8217;t working(the blogs, news, and entertainment, but they seem to be working this morning!.<br />
And I&#8217;m a bit scared about commenting, as it says comments can be edited(I&#8217;d rather you just didn&#8217;t include a comment instead of editing it!). And Allen seems to be replying to comments by editing that comment&#8230; I think it might be better just to post a reply comment&#8230; I&#8217;ll go tell him on his blog now <img src='http://hourann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Umm, and you need to write some more posts!!(but I imagine you&#8217;re pretty busy with the site as a whole at the moment!!)</p>
<p>Anyway, good luck, and I really look forward to seeing how it goes, and raises the profile of rss feeds and blogging in WA!</p>
<p> <img src='http://hourann.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Simone</p>
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